Comments on: Does the LGBT Community Support SB1070 (Immigration enforcement law) or oppose it?

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By: gs

gs — Tue, 27 Jul 2010 22:40:55 +0000

no support here for SB1070. racist,bigotry and inhumane. Nazi like. Immigrants have been migrating
here forever…why now are we so paranoid and nuts…the path to citizenship is a rough trail..
Fed Gov. needs to get off it’s lazy paid collective butt and fix the matter. Coyotes and drug running
a whole nuther matter…but taking it out on people who are here, law abiding hard working people..
just plain nuts…I was born in this State and I still believe it is kind of a closed, hard core, wasp,
mormonish, anti diversity place….schools were segregated, Indians went to Phx Indian school,
blacks were hardly welcome from old Carver High..”mexicans” lived in true “ghettos” and were
trucked to jobs, the Casinos sit on Indian Reservations where people actually lived …..Jews were not
welcome and gays…no way….no way….closet was pretty big..
I moved from here and after 25 years away..a few things have changed…. a little more diversity
in races, tolerance of gays and various religions…but the underlying hostility and racism is still there..
I could not believe we had a democrat for a Governor!! boy did she run like hell for a cush job
with Obama!! left us in the dust man!!!!! what I see going on here now…egads..very scary…

Yes…folks should get here legally..but it is not a huge crime to be here as undocumented..
Sheriff Joe has just gone off his tree…and we must find a way to manage those who are here and
are contributing…get on the tax rolls and social security pay in’s etc..no free rides…but most
are not criminals….and JOe is not the SS….geesh…where is common sense?
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By: Ann

Ann — Sat, 10 Jul 2010 00:20:38 +0000

I’m with Conor. We’re all immigrants, and many of us come from people who, at various points in U.S. history, faced hostility and discrimination because of their origins. When will we learn that all privilege is a matter of majority rule and collective (often wrong-headed) hunch?

SB 1070 puts the common Arizona practice of arresting people for driving while (looking) Mexican into law. It’s wrong.

By: Vickie

Vickie — Sat, 10 Jul 2010 00:10:54 +0000

Thank you ‘nTouch for this forum. If I’ve learned anything about our community in the years that I have been aware of “us” as a community as that we are very diverse in our backgrounds, experiences and opinions. Still, I find it hard to understand how some in the LGBT, considering our long history of oppression and marginalization, do not identify with other oppressed and marginalized people. To me it is really simple. To partially quote Lila Watson, my liberation is bound up with the liberation of other oppressed people.

I think TK makes a good point about the “what part of illegal don’t you understand?” argument: If we say illegal is illegal, then how do we justify wanting gay rights in states with sodomy laws?
How do we ask for same sex marriage in states that say marriage is only between a man and a woman?

Who, him? says: I am Mexican, and if we start with the Mexicans I know, they think we are freaks, we are oddities and if Mexicans were so supportive of the GLBT community don’t you think Mexico would have all the GLBT rights that we feel America should?

Who, him? says that he doesn’t feel welcome by the Mexican community, and that may be the case. A couple of points I would make in response: first, you may be aware that there is a burgeoning LGBT movement in Mexico and in fact they just recently had a pretty major pride event/parade (in Mexico City I think)-some straight friends of mine stumbled across the parade while vacationing and joined in.
The movement there is making headway. As for not being accepted, I can tell you that I teach in an urban school that is almost 100% Hispanic. I am far from being closeted. My kids and their parents see my drive into the parking lot in my car w/ rainbow sticker. The older kids know what that’s about. Some kids have approached a middle school lesbian teacher (who they guessed was lesbian) and expressed curiosity as well as a few asking for help and guidance. My point is that I believe that many of my parents know that I’m gay. They also know that I work my ass off to do right by their kids, and that’s what’s important to them. And they are almost to a person very hardworking people who want what’s best for their kids. I have a great relationship with the parents of most of my students. If we stay separate, we will always have “out there” stereotypes of each other: Anglos will continue to think the Mexicans are lazy and here for a handout, Mexicans will think we are freaks.

As to the law, SB1070 itself-for all the lip-service that our governor and others give to this law as cracking down on drug smuggling and crime, this bill does nothing to address crime. Our governor has suggested that the vast majority of undocumented immigrants who come here are not coming to find work, but rather to commit violent and drug related crimes. If that is the case, then this bill, SB1070 would address that. It doesn’t. I’ve read it. Here are the numbers:

Number of times SB1070 mentions the words drug cartel: 0.
Number of times SB1070 mentions the words “work” or “labor:” 48.

By: Rosemary

Rosemary — Fri, 09 Jul 2010 21:31:43 +0000

I OPPOSE SB1070. Its not going to secure the borders or stop human trafficking, which is what they intended SB1070 for. I and my family are citizens born and raised here in Arizona, the only thing SB1070 has done is dehumanized us. I have noticed a significant change in the way people at the workplace, supermarket, bank and even at the bars and clubs look at me, and NO its not because I’m a Lesbian. I really wish that people who agree with SB1070 could be in my shoes an hear the negative comments directed to me and my family. I agree with DOT in sun city we really need immigration reform and yes history repeats itself over and over again, First it was African American, and women then Gay and Lesbians now its Mexicans. Boy am I fucked not only am I a woman I’m Lesbian and I’m Mexican!!!!!

By: Dianne Post

Dianne Post — Fri, 09 Jul 2010 21:09:55 +0000

This law is about so much more than illegal immigration. It’s about separating people, it’s about denying human rights, it’s about fear, it’s about politics, it’s about scapegoating, it’s about diverting your attention from the real issues, it’s about power and control – and white men fearing they are losing it.

Our country was born in slavery where women were chattel. It has been a steady expansion of rights from then on; that is the beauty of it. When I stand in a grocery store line with a Hispanic woman check out clerk, a Muslim man in front of me and a Black woman behind me I say – This is the America I love. Not the closed minded, fearful xenophobes.

I have lived and traveled abroad a lot and people are shocked that we are not required to carry identification papers in the U.S. That is part of a free country – where people are accepted for who they are and what they bring not the color of their skin or the way they talk.

Problems need to be addressed. But if you want to look at drug use, look at the American demand, not the supply. We rejoiced when they tore down the wall in Berlin, and we decry the wall in Israel, but now some want to build a wall here. It’s not the answer. NAFTA was a great cause of the migration flow when it destroyed small farmers and businesses in Mexico. Employers want and need the immigrants because Americans won’t do these jobs.

Look beyond the narrow lense and see the bigger picture.

By: Zoe

Zoe — Fri, 09 Jul 2010 20:52:15 +0000

I sincerely hope the GLBT community opposes SB1070 loudly, proudly, & for all the right reasons!! Reasons like: it’s unconstitutional, it’s written in a way that guarantees racial profiling by some law enforcement, it won’t help the really big problem of human/drug smuggling, it’s hateful & its sponsors fully intended for it to spread fear! Anyone that is even slightly aware of history knows that the spreading of fear leads to way too many examples of man’s inhumanity to man! The GLBT community should be out front on this and fully aware of the up-&-coming power of the Latino vote! Civil rights are everyone’s business, especially minorities’!!

By: Hart

Hart — Thu, 01 Jul 2010 15:12:59 +0000

Opposed! It is not just about SB 1070- it is about the dehumanization that is occuring in this state with a number of other bills and “edicts”…English only in our schools, segregation of ELL students from general education population (4 hours a day), teachers with foreign accents banned from classrooms, ethnic study programs banned, people are denied protection from domestic violence shelters, health care, food and now it is proposed that electric and water services be denied unless one can prove legal status. And where in the federal law does it state that a citizen can be arrested if they are transporting an undocumented person?

On the other hand, who wants hard working, family loving, Catholic (for the most part), pro life, anti gay marrige folks living in their community? Perhaps if they all leave this state could turn Blue!

By: micheal weakley

micheal weakley — Thu, 01 Jul 2010 01:43:32 +0000

wow, as we know all laws are enforced as written and this law would in now way affect the latino community. You’re right illegal is illegal, and these people regardless of the lives they have built, the families they have created, the investment we have spent on schools, communities and livlihood should not be respected or appreciated but instead … See Morereturned like used merchandise . We should corral them like cattle, throw them back across the border and watch them all suffer and die, because of course documentation proves human value, its sort of like a seal of approval.

And I am sure that no law officer, public official or any of the like will point fingers, create unjust reasons for asking for documentation and will never assume that just because a person speaks Spanish that they must be “illegal” and therefore ask for their identification. I am sure in an Arpaio influenced envrionment of social change no one would dare ever raise suspect because that person is latino, you’re right, this would never happen in Arizona, we value and cherish all our people equally.

Glad to see we live in a plain and simple world where each life is respected, each person is valued and lives are not destroyed. I am glad that as a community we have fought to ensure equal rights for all our citizens. Why wouldn’t we want to embrace SB1070, it’s a fair resolution to the immigration issue.

Reality?

By: Laurie Provost

Laurie Provost — Wed, 30 Jun 2010 23:01:32 +0000

I ditto what Dott in Sun City says, very nice summary!

And I am so sad to realize that many, many people just don’t have much heart or compassion when it comes to supporting basic rights for fellow human beings. So sad how easily ‘we’ turn on our neighbors when it suits us.